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+<h1>Engineering Circle Meeting 2024-12-16 </h1>
+
+<h2>Table of Contents</h2>
+
+- [Attendees](#attendees)
+- [Main Content](#main-content)
+- [TF 4.0](#tf-40)
+- [Notes on Release Nodes Availability](#notes-on-release-nodes-availability)
+- [Workload Architecture for HA storage and app](#workload-architecture-for-ha-storage-and-app)
+- [Interactions with Community](#interactions-with-community)
+  - [TG Admin](#tg-admin)
+- [GEP](#gep)
+- [Minting and GEP](#minting-and-gep)
+- [Grid Release Updates](#grid-release-updates)
+- [Stellar DEX on the phone](#stellar-dex-on-the-phone)
+- [Availability](#availability)
+- [TODO](#todo)
+
+## Attendees
+
+- Lee
+- Ahmed
+- Sabrina
+- Mik
+- Kristof
+- Scott
+
+## Main Content
+
+- Zealy
+  - OK for community to do it themselves
+  - TF not implicate, we let them do it and help if needed
+    - Mik will help GEN (the implementor) if needed
+  - If it works well, we can have a GEP later and decide that TF treasury give some TFT to help
+    - Only if it works well and community accepts the GEP
+- 3.15
+  - qsfs
+    - scott working on it
+- 3.15 patch
+  - local network
+    - Jan and devs working on it
+- 3.16
+  - organize it with eng circle next meeting
+- Compensation july
+  - Done
+
+## TF 4.0
+
+- main project
+  - https://git.ourworld.tf/tfgrid/-/projects/62
+- dont do too much repos
+  - use tfgrid
+    - instead of tfv4 now
+- farming
+  - write how we do the hosting
+  - with maxime
+    - another bootstrap server
+    - another ISO
+    - couple of weeks we can have it
+
+## Notes on Release Nodes Availability
+
+* Should come from the team
+* Make forum posts explaining situation
+  * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N2oSXyFDsth113Wu_8O5I7-OUt6b3T22E8AX2m8bbjs/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.nd9regv84uto
+* TODO
+  * write basic post
+  * check with eng circle
+  * check with concerned farm
+  * Review the forum post then share on forum
+
+
+## Workload Architecture for HA storage and app
+
+- Devs
+  - See main story:
+    - https://git.ourworld.tf/tfgrid/circle_engineering/issues/148
+- Ops
+  - kubernetes, nomad, glusterfs
+    - thabet will open tickets
+
+## Interactions with Community
+
+- e.g.
+  - send code of conducts
+  - ask people to be respectful
+  - if someone doesn't follow this
+    - we can ban them and explain it
+  - but we need to always be kind
+  - note
+    - we don't ban people if they share their criticism just if they go against code of conduts and didn't listen to warnings
+
+### TG Admin
+
+- check with TG if we can put ourselves as admin anonymous so we can write as "ADMIN"
+
+## GEP
+
+- Minting issues in November
+  - TODO
+    - do 10 days of voting
+    - send GEP in 1-2 days
+    - specific case
+    - write draft on google docs
+    - when accepted we publish on forum
+    - mint in January
+    - GEP content
+      - we know last month version upgrade of the grid didn't go as expected, cause many people not to meet uptime requireemtsn, as there were another issue
+        - this is what the issue was
+          - ...
+          - we have a workaround for it now
+        - we do realize many people did not get all tockens
+        - we propose to have a gep to remint only those 2 days
+
+## Minting and GEP
+
+- Notes
+  - always require updates in minting code
+  - always require a GEP
+  - since we don't know in advanced, we can't know in advanced, and can't code it in advance
+  - we dont know if update will lead to update
+  - every minting changes must be done through a GEP
+
+## Grid Release Updates
+
+- Update stuff on Hetnzer
+- Flist server
+  - people can run their own hubs
+  - define which users can login
+    - convert their images
+- admin interface part for zos over mycelium
+  - Jan said bad use of mycelium
+  - don't have any more notes on this
+  - not good to have admin define the packets and rules, this will not work
+    - aside from that
+      - we are developing couple of endpoints
+      - owners of node can exclude 
+      - check how many workloads exist
+      - see DNS files
+      - right now
+        - single diagnosis command
+        - to exclude stuff, it would be helpful
+- KYC on farmers
+  - should we have kyc or email+phone verification?
+    - if authorities need to contact the farmer
+      - if we have email but it's a fake email, or email they don't use, etc. a burner phone
+  - idea:
+    - not allow for people to create farm with dashboard, only the tfconnect
+      - if kyc not needed
+        - create farm with TFConnect, email verification is needed
+        - if we don't need KYC for farmers
+          - can farmers deploy on their own node without KYC
+            - it is reasonable
+      - kyc needed
+        - on dashboard or tfconnect app, need kyc to create farm
+
+## Stellar DEX on the phone
+
+- basic use
+  - as before, no need xlm
+- advanced use
+  - using swap, trading, etc.
+    - will consume XLM
+  - disclaimer: if use advanced, need to manage XLM
+  - UX
+    - shortcut to market
+      - buy TFT, buy USDC, buy XLM
+    - from there, facing conditions of having XLM
+      - to buy TFT you need some XLM
+        - first buy XLM first, then swap to TFT and keep some in the wallet
+
+## Availability
+
+- Thabet is off 24-12-18 to 24-12-29
+
+## TODO
+
+- GEP for minting November
+  - revise and update as needed, then share on forum
+    - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MS1O0QV4GgS6mKnxQ8edU40agaK7pcWKxJKB5WoIKQc/edit?tab=t.0
+- check if can send tft with 3bot
+  - if not create issue on tfconnect to enable this
+- Post series (3) on nodes HA